I've mentioned from time to time that Obama's presidency has broken my heart. There are a lot of reasons for that which I won't go into at the moment. I cannot, in good conscience, vote for him again. I'm increasingly disgusted with the Democrats.
I will not vote for a Republican unless someone has a gun to my son's head.
I've come to question the whole notion of even voting.
What are you all gonna do?
I'm voting for Jon Huntsman if he's still in it when Florida has its primaries. I too will not vote for Obama. If Huntsman can win the primaries he'll be getting my vote in the Generals. If not then like you I have no idea what I'll do. If tomorrow he shows strong in NH I may even volunteer a bit for him in Florida. He doesn't have the funds to campaign here unless he gives in and lets his dad back his campaign.
the system is broken... why bother to vote?
I'll go back to the greens or some similar 3rd party that will be lucky to get 1% of the vote. Bush had me voting democrat for the first time since Jimmy Carter but, if Cali is in any danger of going republican, the republicans will have already won. That's the way pacific time works with national elections. I really can't see Obama losing California either. 55-45 over Romney unless Romney trumps a hostage crisis in October. I'm feeling represented as usual.
Why vote?
After Bush's Florida fiasco I would seriously doubt the efficacy of the system; and besides, while US campaign politics is all about polarisation; in reality there is little difference between Republicans and Democrats in practice.
At this point Obama may get my vote but not one minute of volunteer time nor one cent in donations.
after all we've been through, I suppose you know I can't understand anyone ever voting republican. ever.
Originally posted by FlamingoJeff
At this point Obama may get my vote but not one minute of volunteer time nor one cent in donations.
Wow. I find that attitude kinda stupid. You fight the war with the army you have and all that. Not voting and not working to get a candidate into office is nearly as bad as working against them. Obama has disappointed me in a lot of ways, but he's also been a very good president in a lot of other ways. Us lefties tend to be vicious toward our leaders, even when they're doing well. Obama is no FDR, but even FDR was savaged by the left while he was in power.
I'm going to work for Obama and do everything I can to keep Romney from getting in. Fuck all y'all who throw your vote away on the Greens. You're the reason why we elected Bush in the first place.
Originally posted by Stinky
Wow. I find that attitude kinda stupid. You fight the war with the army you have and all that. Not voting and not working to get a candidate into office is nearly as bad as working against them. Obama has disappointed me in a lot of ways, but he's also been a very good president in a lot of other ways. Us lefties tend to be vicious toward our leaders, even when they're doing well. Obama is no FDR, but even FDR was savaged by the left while he was in power.
I'm going to work for Obama and do everything I can to keep Romney from getting in. Fuck all y'all who throw your vote away on the Greens. You're the reason why we elected Bush in the first place.
I can agree with this. Voting for some random nobody is like throwing your vote away. Of course I also think not voting in the primaries is a waste. Are you going to vote as a Republican in the primaries to sway the vote towards someone other than Mitt?
I'm not American so I'm not voting.
Obama was far from the saviour we all hoped for, there was no way he was going to be but seriously the idea of voting for anyone other than Obama is beyond ludicrous.
Well, now that Bachmann's out. She would have been very entertaining.
Over here a lot of disgruntled voters wouldn't vote labour, so voted green or liberal...walking the conservatives straight through the door.
Shame on them. :mad:
Though with this Wallace & Gromit looking idiotic cunt now leading Labour I'd say we're stuffed for a fair few years.
Don't listen to Stinky.. why he's from the same state as Palin
As far as third parties, if you are not in a swing state no reason not to be strategic with your vote
Originally posted by Stinky ... Fuck all y'all who throw your vote away on the Greens. You're the reason why we elected Bush in the first place.
by that logic, you should become an avid tea-partier
How so?
Originally posted by Stinky Obama has disappointed me in a lot of ways, but he's also been a very good president in a lot of other ways. Us lefties tend to be vicious toward our leaders, even when they're doing well. Obama is no FDR, but even FDR was savaged by the left while he was in power
Bullshit. Signing the NDAA alone is a betrayal of the highest order. There's lots of other stuff - he's basically turned out to be a rollover artist bringing very little of the promised "hope" and "change". The only reason to vote for Obama is that the republicans are even worse.
Supporting Obama without criticism paves the way for the right wing takeover of the Democratic party to go even deeper with the next presidential candidate they field.
The Tea Partiers managed to take over the Republicans, which shows parties can change. Contributing to the effort to "correct" the Democrats back to a centrist position is a more valid goal than simply "fighting with the army you've got".
Originally posted by papaya nirvana
by that logic, you should become an avid tea-partier
That makes no sense
Originally posted by arigato
Democrat supporters still have he means to create change, too. Contributing to the effort to "correct" the Democrats back to a centrist position is a more valid goal than simply "fighting with the army you've got".
what folks that dissagree with most things republican need to keep in mind IMHO is that no matter how fractured the republicans seem —they are a well-oiled machine with regard to voting party line. all my republican friends here and in the real world deny it, claiming to be fucking independent. bullshit.... they are going to vote republican.
I wish the dems would come up with a candidate to run against obama and the republicans after they've gone through the whole process of selecting the person they want to run against obama... I would just love to see the talking heads on TV for a week if that could happen.
talk radio guy yesterday was all proud to be advocating [the fact] that it appears 40% of "republicans" are polling as Independent. independent? I am so tired of hearing this I am seeing red. you are going to vote republican.or you are going to help the republicans. just admit it.
Originally posted by arigato
Bullshit. Signing the NDAA alone is a betrayal of the highest order. There's lots of other stuff - he's basically turned out to be a rollover artist bringing very little of the promised "hope" and "change".
Double bullshit. Imagine if you will, that McCain won the last election: no stimulus, backwards on every social issue that mattered, escalation if not outright hot war with Iran . . . .
If you really think nothing would have been different than you're delusional. Yes, the guy is not my ideal candidate by a long shot, but he's far, far better than the alternative. We can voice all the dissent we want after he's elected.
The only reason to vote for Obama is that the republicans are even worse.
Exactly my point.
Congress matters more than anything right now anyway, we have the presidency.
No wonder Democrats can't win anything, lefties are shit at strategy.
Originally posted by Stinky
Congress matters more than anything right now anyway, we have the presidency.
No wonder Democrats can't win anything, lefties are shit at strategy.
Originally posted by Stinky
Congress matters more than anything right now anyway, we have the presidency.
No wonder Democrats can't win anything, lefties are shit at strategy.
This is actually the only reason I'll vote Obama if Huntsman can't take the primaries. Huntsman has been consistent enough, intelligent enough and open enough to show he's willing to go against the Republican party, especially the Tea Partiers. Even with him my biggest hesitation and why I won't vote for any other Republicans is because the rest will just fall in line and do whatever Congress passes as long as it was passed by the R's.
one thing the republicans will always have going for them, no matter how fucked up their candidate is. its their candidate and they'll all line up and vote for their candidate. they'll start denying their vote on the way to the car after voting. deny anything to do with republicans right after the vote. but they'll vote republican.
Oh but I would love to hang out with Rick Perry, hit up the shooting range, eat some venison, drink a few beers. He seems like a very sincere and friendly guy - he just doesn't fit with damn near any of the things I value out of a President.
Originally posted by Stinky
I'm going to work for Obama and do everything I can to keep Romney from getting in. Fuck all y'all who throw your vote away on the Greens. You're the reason why we elected Bush in the first place.
I'm not the reason Bush won and I voted green. Gore took California and I'd still like to see a viable 3rd and 4th and maybe 5th party before I die. I don't think it will happen but the rep/dem juggernaut doesn't serve the country, the world, or myself well at all. In spite of my distaste for this administration I think Obama's a sympathetic figure but an ineffectual politician and president. In other words, if I thought it mattered I'd probably vote for him but it won't matter so I'll vote closer to my preference instead.